The Hoax of the Century, Hybrid Warfare, Israel, and Iran with Jacob Siegel

Dan Romero, Erik Torenberg and Antonio Garcia Martinez were joined by journalist Jacob Siegel (recorded 10.1.23) to discuss disinformation, the evolving narrative between tech and political power, and geopolitics. If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen
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SELECT LINKS:

Jacob Siegel, 'Hoax of the Century: 13 Ways of Looking at Disinformation', Tablet https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/guide-understanding-hoax-century-thirteen-ways-looking-disinformation

Jacob Siegel, 'Data Driven Defeat: Information versus Interests in Afghanistan', American Affairs https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2020/05/data-driven-defeat-information-versus-interests-in-afghanistan/

Antonio Garcia Martinez, 'Among the Protesters', Tablet https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/among-the-protesters-antonio-garcia-martinez

Jay Solomon, 'Inside Iran’s Influence Operation', Semafor https://www.semafor.com/article/09/25/2023/inside-irans-influence-operation

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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Episode Preview
(01:48) Jacob on Balaji’s Gray - Red - Blue tribe framework
(03:38) How to make the Gray tribe inspiring
(06:30) E/acc and tech with grandeur
(08:27) Abundance agenda vs administrative state
(14:20) Bernie Sanders
(16:15) Sponsors: Vanta | NetSuite
(18:20) Elon Musk relationship with Obama-era Whitehouse
(22:38) Private markets vs Government subsidized innovation
(24:00) Ideal balance between protectionist policies and free markets
(29:55) Jacob on Israel over-leveraging its tech sector
(36:10) Tracing the narrative of tech and democratic political power
(42:40) Hybrid warfare since 2014
(46:30) Antonio joins the conversation
(51:10) Gamergate as a pivotal event
(01:03:00) Plato’s cave reflections of American domestic political neurosis
(01:08:40) Ukraine, Russia, and Biden’s strategic logic
(01:18:30) Can there be a happy ending in Israel?
(01:24:00) The threat of Iran
(01:34:30) US should end the Israeli Subsidy
(01:45:00)The fight over the soul of the nation
(01:51:00) Israel in 30-40 years